Ups Club Squash Section

 

‘Virtual’ General Meeting Started 14 November, 2008

 

Replacing Ventaxia Fan and Control Unit.

 

Found old controller unit burnt out 14.11.08.

Fan unit and new controller fitted by Gary Marchant of AMP Electrical 08.04.09.

Bill was £1006=61 (incl VAT). Paid by BACS 29 April 2009. The controller is capable of bi-directional control, but the existing wiring only allows extraction mode. Ventaxia model S12PL & W362230 controller specified on replacement invoice. Receipt for payment received 05.05.09.

The fan broke down around 08 May 2010 and was replaced almost free of charge (£117.50) on 15 June 2010. The reason for the charge was because of labour charges.

Full chronology listed at end:

 

 


From: Steve Edwards [mailto:edwards@sketters.co.uk]
Sent: 15 July 2010 19:42
To: 'Mark Sydenham'; 'Antigoni Divoli'; 'Chris Bunton'; 'Chris Stott'; 'gunnlion@yahoo.co.uk'; 'James Darcy'; 'JonathanGear'; 'Laura Robison'; 'louise Johns'; 'Michael Swan'; 'Sandra Edwards'; 'Steve' 'Edwards'
Subject: RE: Squash Court - Replacement Fan 15.06.10 / Invoice Explanation / Update 15.07.10

Dear All,

Appart from one view on this - which was kindly note, there was no major dissent, so I phoned Paul today to say that we will honour their request for a ‘contribution’ to the costs.

Cheers, Steve

 


>>> "Steve Edwards" <edwards@sketters.co.uk> 08/07/2010 20:01 >>>

Dear All,

I hope I’ve done the right thing here ?

Please let me know if otherwise !

Cheers, Steve

 

 


From: Steve Edwards [mailto:edwards@sketters.co.uk]
Sent: 04 July 2010 20:24
To: 'Gary Marchant'
Cc: 'Charlotte Higton'; 'Paul Buchan'; 'Chris.Stott@icr.ac.uk'; 'gunnlion@yahoo.co.uk'; 'Louise.Johns@icr.ac.uk'; 'Laura.Robison@icr.ac.uk'; 'Mark.Sydenham@icr.ac.uk'; 'Antigoni.Divoli@icr.ac.uk'; 'James.Darcy@icr.ac.uk'; 'Jonathan.Gear@icr.ac.uk'; 'Sandra.Edwards@icr.ac.uk'; 'Michael.Swan@icr.ac.uk'; 'Chris.Bunton@icr.ac.uk'; 'Edwards, Steve'
Subject: RE: Squash Court - Replacement Fan 15.06.10 / Invoice Explanation

Dear Gary,

Thank you very much for kind reply and explanation.

I wasn’t aware of your policy to ask for a contribution towards repairs, but now that you have explained the matter, I will recommend to the Squash Committee (by copy of this email) that we agree the payment of £117=50 suggested in your invoice.

Thank you also for confirming that the replacement fan has the same specification as the initial one fitted

I can also confirm that during the telephone discussions with Paul, he did advise that the inherent fault found in the fan would mean that the manufacturers would not be shipping until Sep/Oct 2010. However on a subsequent call he said that a ‘direct’ replacement would be provided - I then confirmed this back by email (02 June below). I had therefore assumed that this meant the S12Pl ‘manufacturer fix’ had been addressed.   

I can confirm that you did advise me when the S12Pl was originally fitted that we would need to modify the wiring for bi-directional function. I was also aware that a speed controller was an ‘extra’ for the S12Pl. If the committee feels the need for either of these facilities on the replacement fan, then I hope we can approach you for a quotation.

Thank you again for your kind help with this and I’m sorry for any confusion that may have been caused by my misunderstanding of the situation.

Kind regards,

Steve

cc Squash Committee, Charlotte, Paul

 

 


From: Gary Marchant [mailto:gary.marchant@amp-electrical.com]
Sent: 30 June 2010 16:14
To: 'Steve Edwards'
Cc: 'Charlotte Higton'; 'Paul Buchan'
Subject: RE: Squash Court - Replacement Fan 15.06.10 / Invoice

Hi Steve,

Thank you for your email and taking the time to contact us. Firstly I would like to confirm that you are indeed correct that you have a right under the sale of goods act  to have your goods (in this case your fan) replaced. This unfortunately does not include the cost of any associated labour involved to replace it!  This has been the case for as long as I have been in the electrical contracting industry. We as a company have no way of contra-charging the manufactures for labour associated with replacement of equipment that we purchase on behalf of our clients.

As previously stated, we ask purely for a contribution towards our costs in replacing your faulty fan. If you feel that this is not fair then we will not pursue you for the invoice.

With regards to the change of fan, the fan is identical in performance to the previous fan (if anything it has a slightly increased performance) I believe that a conversation was had by yourself and Paul Buchan (A.M.P) regarding the change of model, as the manufactures were unlikely to have the new model (updated to correct the inherent fault) available prior to September 2010/October 2010. It is my understanding that you were happy to have the alternative model suggested (only difference is the fan chassis design)

With Regards to the direction and speed control, the speed is adjustable via the inbuilt capacitor location on the fan, this is the new way of controlling the fans speed. With regard to direction of the fan, the existing wiring that you have is not capable and never has been capable of Bi-directional control. This I believe may have been pointed out by myself before. The wiring at the squash court is a standard PVC-PVC twin and CPC cable, this in fact means that there is a Phase wire (live) and a neutral wire plus an earth wire (CPC) in order to achieve Bi-directional control there must be also a secondary Phase conductor (live) This type of cable is not present and never has been so bi-directional control is not achievable without additional wiring and of course additional cost.

I hope that this is of some help to you, however if you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind Regards
 Gary Marchant
A.M.P Electrical Contractors & Engineers Ltd

Brewerstreet Dairy Business Park

Brewer Street
Bletchingley

Surrey
RH1 4QP
Telephone 01883 740588
Fax 01883 740599
Email gary.marchant@amp-electrical.com

Web www.amp-electrical.com

 

 

From: Steve Edwards [mailto:edwards@sketters.co.uk]
Sent: 29 June 2010 22:12
To: 'Gary Marchant'; 'Paul Buchan'; 'Edwards, Steve'
Cc: 'Charlotte Higton'; Chris.Stott@icr.ac.uk; gunnlion@yahoo.co.uk; Louise.Johns@icr.ac.uk; Laura.Robison@icr.ac.uk; Mark.Sydenham@icr.ac.uk; Antigoni.Divoli@icr.ac.uk; James.Darcy@icr.ac.uk; Jonathan.Gear@icr.ac.uk; Sandra.Edwards@icr.ac.uk; Michael.Swan@icr.ac.uk; Chris.Bunton@icr.ac.uk
Subject: Squash Court - Replacement Fan 15.06.10 / Invoice

Dear Paul and Gary,

Thank you very much for sending through the invoice dated 24.06.2010 (copy attached for squash committee information).

I must admit it was a bit of a surprise to receive this as I had assumed the works would be covered by the manufacturer’s guarantee and the sale of goods act for ‘faulty’ goods.

I don’t recall any charges for the fan replacement being raised by Paul during the replacement discussions. I note from the invoice that we are being asked to make a ‘contribution to works’ of £100 + VAT.

I also note that the replacement fan is a TL12PL. It was my understanding that we were being provided with a ‘direct’ replacement (email 02.06.10). The S12Pl fan that was initially installed on 08.04.09 was selected because of its bi-directional ability - this was a feature that we specifically wanted. The reason I wrote to you on 15 June was to find out if the replacement TL12Pl fan also has this capability.

I hope to be able to talk to you during this week so that we can clear things up in case there have been any misunderstandings.  

Kind regards,

Steve

cc Squash Committee, Charlotte

 

 


From: Steve Edwards [mailto:edwards@sketters.co.uk]
Sent: 17 June 2010 22:04
To: 'Gary Marchant'; 'steve.edwards@imperial.nhs.uk'
Cc: 'Charlotte Higton'; 'Paul Buchan'; 'Chris.Stott@icr.ac.uk'; 'gunnlion@yahoo.co.uk'; 'Louise.Johns@icr.ac.uk'; 'Laura.Robison@icr.ac.uk'; 'Mark.Sydenham@icr.ac.uk'; 'Antigoni.Divoli@icr.ac.uk'; 'James.Darcy@icr.ac.uk'; 'Jonathan.Gear@icr.ac.uk'; 'Sandra.Edwards@icr.ac.uk'; 'Michael.Swan@icr.ac.uk'; 'Chris.Bunton@icr.ac.uk'
Subject: Squash Court - New Fan 15.06.10

Dear Gary,

Thanks very much for your kind voicemail earlier on - I’m sorry I missed you.

I’m afraid the reception wasn’t brilliant, so I hope we can speak again in person soon so that I can get a full grasp of your kind explanation.

I gather that the new fan may not be bi-directional and that it has three potential speed settings and that it was set at max.

Hopefully when we have a chat we can clarify this as it was my understanding that the fan originally fitted had a bi-directional facility.

Kind regards,

Steve

cc Squash Committee

cc Paul, Charlotte

 

 


From: Steve Edwards [mailto:edwards@sketters.co.uk]
Sent: 15 June 2010 21:01
To: 'Gary Marchant'; 'steve.edwards@imperial.nhs.uk'
Cc: 'Charlotte Higton'; 'Paul Buchan'; 'Chris.Stott@icr.ac.uk'; 'gunnlion@yahoo.co.uk'; 'Louise.Johns@icr.ac.uk'; 'Laura.Robison@icr.ac.uk'; 'Mark.Sydenham@icr.ac.uk'; 'Antigoni.Divoli@icr.ac.uk'; 'James.Darcy@icr.ac.uk'; 'Jonathan.Gear@icr.ac.uk'; 'Sandra.Edwards@icr.ac.uk'; 'Michael.Swan@icr.ac.uk'; 'Chris.Bunton@icr.ac.uk'
Subject: RE: Squash Fan Fault Reported 08.05.10 / Repair Scheduled 15.06.10 - Appointment Confirmed.

Dear Gary,

Thank you very much for attending to the fan replacement today. I hope everything went OK ?

I also wondered if you could kindly advise on whether the replacement fan can have a speed and direction controller fitted - should we wish to investigate this possibility as we discussed for the original ?

Kind regards,

Steve

cc Squash Committee

cc Paul, Charlotte

 


From: Steve Edwards [mailto:edwards@sketters.co.uk]
Sent: 10 June 2010 21:01
To: 'Gary Marchant'
Cc: 'Charlotte Higton'; 'Paul Buchan'; 'Mark Sydenham'; 'Jonathan Gear'; 'Laura Robison'
Subject: RE: Squash Fan Fault Reported 08.05.10 / Repair Scheduled 15.06.10 - Appointment Confirmed.

Dear Gary,

Just a short note to confirm the plans kindly made by Paul.

I’m just forwarding the contact details of 3 our committee members who will be onsite and able to help you if required next Tues.

I hope all goes well with the fan replacement, and thank you again for your speedy resolution to this problem.

Kind regards,

Steve

cc Mark Sydenham 0208 722 4104

cc Jon Gear 0208 661 3721

cc Laura Robsion 0208 722 4077

cc Paul, Charlotte

 


From: Paul Buchan [mailto:paul.buchan@amp-electrical.com]
Sent: 10 June 2010 16:10
To: Gary Marchant
Cc: Steve Edwards; Charlotte Higton
Subject: Fw: Squash Fan Fault Reported 08.05.10 / Repair Scheduled 15.06.10 - Appointment Confirmed.

Gary

The appointment is confirmed for Tuesday 15 June 2010 as an AM call. I have received further information from Steve (07765 810431) today regarding access to the Squash Court;

Please turn the dial for the door clockwise and then anti-clockwise fully - this will reset the door. Then enter 4635A etc.

Steve has said that hopefully the lights will be on. However, you made need to take a pound or two pound coin for the lights. Steve will reimburse you.

If, there are any queries or problem please let me know.

Many thanks!

Kind regards
Paul Buchan
A.M.P Electrical Contractors & Engineers Ltd.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 6:06 PM

Subject: RE: Squash Fan Fault Reported 08.05.10 / Repair Scheduled 15.06.10

Dear Paul,

This should be fine in lieu of any committee feedback.

I will arrange to have that day reserved for your engineers.

Thanks very much for arranging this,

Kind regards, Steve

cc Squash Management Committee

 


From: Paul Buchan [mailto:paul.buchan@amp-electrical.com]
Sent: 08 June 2010 13:06
To: Steve Edwards
Subject: Re: Squash Fan Fault Reported 08.05.10 / Update 01.06.10

Good afternoon Steve

Please may we arrange an appointment to come and replace the fan on 15/06/2010? Please advise of your availability.

There will be two operatives in attendance.

Many thanks!

Kind regards
Paul Buchan
A.M.P Electrical Contractors & Engineers Ltd.
Macson House
12 Lind Road
Sutton
Surrey
SM1 4PJ
Telephone 020 8661 8970
Fax 020 8661 8979
Email paul.buchan@amp-electrical.com
 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:23 PM

Subject: Squash Fan Fault Reported 08.05.10 / Update 01.06.10

Dear Paul,

Just a short email to say thank you for the phone call yesterday with an update on the fan status.

I’m just copying in the committee for their information and I look forward to hearing further news of when the direct replacement fan, you kindly advised yesterday, will be arriving.

Kind regards,
Steve
c
c Squash Management Committee

 

 


From: Paul Buchan [mailto:paul.buchan@amp-electrical.com]
Sent: 28 May 2010 09:26
To: Steve Edwards
Subject: Re: Squash Fan Fault Reported 08.05.10 / Request for Update Please

Dear Steve,

Sorry for the delay, Gary is dealing with this but unfortunately it's taking time to get the information from our supplier. He will ring you next week with an update.

Again I apologise for any inconvenience.

Kind regards
Paul Buchan
A.M.P Electrical Contractors & Engineers Ltd.
Macson House
12 Lind Road
Sutton
Surrey
SM1 4PJ
Telephone 020 8661 8970
Fax 020 8661 8979
Email paul.buchan@amp-electrical.com

 

----- Original Message -----

Subject: Squash Fan Fault Reported 08.05.10 / Request for Update Please

Dear Paul,

I was just wondering if you might have a status update on the fan fault please ?

Kind regards,
Steve
c
c Squash Management Committee

 

 


From: Edwards, Steve [mailto:Steve.Edwards@imperial.nhs.uk]
Sent: 14 May 2010 14:37
Subject: Squash Fan Fitted 08.04.09 / Update on Fault 14.05.10

Dear Paul,

Just a quick email for the benefit of the committee's information, confirming what we discussed yesterday on the phone.

Thank you for confirming that the faulty fan is subject to a 2 year manufacturer's guarantee.

Thank you also for suggesting the two possible fixes:

1) To wait until around September for supply of a direct replacement. The delay in supply due to demand on upgraded unit (fan motor upgrade because of design fault in current model).

2) For Gary to kindly source and alternative that could be fitted sooner.

Thank you also for considering my suggestion of sourcing a temporary replacement in lieu of Fix No. 1.

I look forward to hearing more news on your enquiries,

Kind regards,
Steve
Cc Squash Management Committee

 


From: Steve Edwards [mailto:edwards@sketters.co.uk]
Sent: 08 May 2010 16:25
To: 'Paul Buchan'
Cc: 'Chris.Stott@icr.ac.uk'; 'gunnlion@yahoo.co.uk'; 'Louise.Johns@icr.ac.uk'; 'Laura.Robison@icr.ac.uk'; 'Mark.Sydenham@icr.ac.uk'; 'Antigoni.Divoli@icr.ac.uk'; 'James.Darcy@icr.ac.uk'; 'Jonathan.Gear@icr.ac.uk'; 'Sandra.Edwards@icr.ac.uk'; 'Michael.Swan@icr.ac.uk'; 'Chris.Bunton@icr.ac.uk'
Subject: Squash Fan Fitted 08.04.09 - Reporting Potential fault

Dear Paul,

cc Squash Committee

I am just writing to say that I think the Ventaxia fan fitted by Gary last year (08 April 2009) appears to have stopped turning.

I noticed yesterday that there was no ‘spinning’ noise coming from the unit, and from my limited view, it appeared that it wasn’t turning.

I would be grateful if you could advise further please ?

Kind regards,

Steve

(Ups Club Squash Section Chairman)

 


From: Steve Edwards [mailto:edwards@sketters.co.uk]
Sent: 25 November 2008 16:21
To: 'Steve Edwards'; 'Chris.Stott@icr.ac.uk'; 'Lionel.Gunn@icr.ac.uk'; 'Louise.Johns@icr.ac.uk'; 'Laura.Robison@icr.ac.uk'; 'Mark.Sydenham@icr.ac.uk'; 'Phil.Hall@icr.ac.uk'; 'Antigoni.Divoli@icr.ac.uk'; 'David.Roberts@icr.ac.uk'; 'James.Darcy@icr.ac.uk'; 'Jonathan.Gear@icr.ac.uk'; 'Neil.Goddard@icr.ac.uk'; 'Sandra.Edwards@icr.ac.uk'
Subject: Ventaxia Fan & Dehumidifier Update 25.11.08

Dear All,

Just a short update on these matters.

The venaxia fan (front wall ceiling mounted) and control unit appear to be defunct. This unit helps to remove water vapour from the court. They were inspected by AMP Electrical yesterday. I am awaiting a quote for a replacement and fitting. The Ventaxia model we have is no longer available, so hopefully a suitable alternative will be sourced. There is a small chance that some joinery will be needed to help the new unit fit. We will also incurr scaffolding charges (approx £100 per day). I am hoping that perhaps we can borrow the ICR gantry and I am also making enquiries with Don Taylor of RMH Facilities.

The dehumidier is also playing up. The outside upper coils are totally iced up and the unit is therefore not performimg properly (essentially no warm air - I’m not sure about the air borne vapour removal). Tech Refridgeration Services have been contacted and will attend tomorrow to inspect.

Please let me know if there are any other things that need attending to as I have a bit of time on my hands at the moment !

I hope the party comes off !!

Best wishes,

Cheers,

Steve

 

 


From: Steve Edwards [mailto:edwards@sketters.co.uk]
Sent: 14 November 2008 16:27
To: 'Chris.Stott@icr.ac.uk'; 'Lionel.Gunn@icr.ac.uk'; 'Louise.Johns@icr.ac.uk'; 'Laura.Robison@icr.ac.uk'; 'Mark.Sydenham@icr.ac.uk'; 'Phil.Hall@icr.ac.uk'; 'Antigoni.Divoli@icr.ac.uk'; 'David.Roberts@icr.ac.uk'; 'James.Darcy@icr.ac.uk'; 'Jonathan.Gear@icr.ac.uk'; 'Neil.Goddard@icr.ac.uk'; 'Sandra.Edwards@icr.ac.uk'
Cc: 'ron.nye@ntlworld.com'
Subject: Ventaxia Fan Major Problem - Squash Court

Dear All,

Just a short line to say that the Ventaxia fan unit at the squash court has been turned OFF at the controller in the ‘wooden’ electrical control box.

Phil and I were about to start a game at lunch time and smelt burning. We tracked the smell back to the wooden box and we think the smoke was coming from the Ventaxia control box. The smoke stopped as soon as the unit was switched to the OFF position. The unit was extremely hot, and I suspect that either the controller or fan unit itself (mounted in the front wall ceiling) are faulty. The fan has been there ever since I can remember !

I’m going to tape up the control unit to stop someone turning it on and then try to find an electrician to sort this out.

Chris - would you happen to know if we have a friendly electrician we could approach ?

In the meantime I think it is OK to carry on playing.

The good news is that the air con unit is working again. It has been ‘up’ for a couple of days now. The service company said they had found a loose wire and have now repaired it. The court was a balmy 14.5C when we played at lunchtime (without the electric heaters) !

I hope the Ventaxia matter is a separate matter and has happened coincidentally. The sparky should be able to assess this hopefully.

Just also to let you know that the formal 6 week coaching course started last night with Ron. It should run to 18 Dec (incl). Can I just take this opportunity to thank Laura for another outstanding effort in promoting and organising this course. We have another good batch of beginners - who I guess will be the lifeblood of the club.

Best wishes,

Steve

cc Ron


 

14.11.08   Found the speed control unit burning 14.11.08. (Phil Hall and Steve) - isolated and taped up (Steve) - “Danger do not operate - Fire Hazard” sticker placed on it.

14.11.08   Reported to committee by email. Request to committee member for help in finding electrician.

15.11.08   Decided to email to TASK Electrical (Phil White) in Sutton as they did work for us on Heaters MCB in Dec 2006.

15.11.08   Also sent speculative email to AMP Electrical in Sutton - found from yellow pages.

17.11.08   Contact from Paul Buchan from AMP 0208 661 8970. Exchange of numbers and agreement to check it out. Request for account details

17.11.08   Letter with letterhead to Paul at AMP via email. Explanation that I no longer work at ICR

                   [\AMP Electrical Contractors & Eng Ltd 01 171108.pdf]

17.11.08   Call from Phil White of Task Concepts Ltd. Phil said he was still in business and apologised for not getting back to me sooner. I was up front and said I had already provisionally engaged another contractor. Phil said there were no hard feelings and I agreed I would contact him in the future if we had need.

00.11.08   Further calls with Paul culminating in arrangement for Gary Marchant to attend on Monday 24 November 2008.

24.11.08   Met Gary at court 12:45pm. Inspected. Controller black. Gary said that most likely controller and fan defunct. Need replacing. I asked if he could quote. Yes, but that ventaxia no longer available - something similar. Scaffolding could be a problem - extra cost for hire.

25.11.08   Call from Gary to say working on quote. Discussion on potential wooden mounting frame modification

25.11.08   Email to Paul to thank for visit by Gary and acknowledge Gary’s phone call. And to say awaiting quote.

25.11.08   Email to Squash Committee to update on Ventaxia fan situation. No dissent from committee, so continued with process.

25.11.08   Quote from Gary by email: Ventaxia 12” Fan & Controller £856.69 + VAT. Scaffolding if required £120.00 + VAT.

27.11.08   Thanked Gary by email for the quote. The Squash Committee were copied in on this message and so were aware of the charges. Also made a few enquiries about ‘commercial’ ability of fan and whether it will last 10-15 years, plus its controls and air flow.

27.11.08   Two voicemails on my mobile from Gary. Lots of explanation and new info that a Ventaxia panel fan S12/PL is recommended and air flow calcs kindly from Gary

28.11.08   Acknowledgement of calls to Gary and explanation that we are a small bunch. Asking about window pane model.S12/WW and existing wooden frame. Asking for confirmation that Panel fan was recommended S12/PL. Flow rate agreement of 1910m3/hr agreeable. This is backed up in Ventaxia pdf [01c Ventaxia S12-PL STDPANEL-info.pdf].

12 .12.08  Email to Paul Buchan to ask if perhaps Gary had missed my enquiry of 28.11.08 as not heard anything back?

12.12.08   Reply from Paul to say Gary on leave, and that Gary believed he had replied. However Paul said Gary would check.

12.12.08   Acknowledged Paul's email and said I would wait to hear/see what happens. No more comms.

16.03.09: Restarted comms with Gary Marchant of AMP Electrical and asked if he was still interested in the job.

08.04.09   Job was conducted. Full details in \16c Things To Do and Prizes Vouchers 2005-06-07-08-09.doc, and will be reported in next year’s AGM minutes

05.05.09   Received receipt from Paul. Scanned to [11 AMP Electrical Receipt Rec 050509 Scanned 050509.pdf]. Email to Paul (cc squash committee) to say thank you for the receipt and to pass on thanks to Gary. Resent 15.05.09 as not sure if Paul was on recipient list.

 

 


 

Steve Edwards

Ups Club Squash Section Chairman

 

 



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