Squash Committee Meeting 26 January 2009

‘Virtual’ General Meeting Conducted Mostly by Email.

 


Official Version

Minutes of email correspondence regarding eight discussion issues starting 26 January 2009:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Laura Robison [mailto:Laura.Robison@icr.ac.uk]

Sent: 10 February 2009 21:33

To: edwards@sketters.co.uk

Subject: Re: Squash Matters 26.01.09

Hi again,

Just spoken to Rob and he confirmed that every RMH staff member does have an email account and it is possible for the to send an email to the whole of the RMH Sutton, however 'they' (someone at a higher level of management) do not like people doing this. 

Has there been any discussions about this with management in the past?

Is it worth broaching the subject.  I know Rob used to send emails for us, but think he got told off for it, so I don't want to get people into

trouble by asking them to advertise the coaching via email...

Laura

 
 

 

From: Laura Robison [mailto:Laura.Robison@icr.ac.uk]

Sent: 10 February 2009 21:23

To: edwards@sketters.co.uk

Subject: Re: Squash Matters 26.01.09

Hi Steve,

Finally got round to reading your email, sorry it has taken so long.  I am happy with all the points raised and he suggestions.

I can add that I know at least one RMH phBar volunteer- Karen Hawkins, not sure if she still is, but she definitely used to be!  I will ask Rob

Chaldecott what the situation was with receiving emails at the RMH

before he left, and let you know!

Thanks,

Laura

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: louise Johns [mailto:louise.Johns@icr.ac.uk]

Sent: 09 February 2009 15:51

To: Antigoni Divoli; Chris Stott; David Roberts; James Darcy; Jonathan Gear; Laura Robison; Lionel Gunn; Mark Sydenham; Neil Goddard; Sandra Edwards; edwards@sketters.co.uk

Cc: Helen.Taylor@rmh.nhs.uk

Subject: Re: Squash Matters 26.01.09 - Update incl Ups Club Matters06.02.09

Hi Steve

Quite a busy meeting by the sounds of it. Thanks for passing it all on to us.

The PDF was the only one of the attachments I could open I'm afraid, so couldn't take a look at the business plans.

I am generally in favour of opening up membership to a wider group of organisations. I'm also keen on plans suggested to enable to club to continue if funding is withdrawn/reduced.

My only concern at this stage is that it will quickly become far too much for a volunteer UPS committee to run. I was on the committee until recently and it had become obvious (I thought) that most people just can't give up the time to deal with club matters that crop up during the working day and they also feel the legal/health and safety responsibilities are becoming too onerous. The feeling then was that the logical thing would have to be for the RMH to take on the running of the club, but from what you say about the RMH that sounds distinctly unlikely.

BWs

Louise

(Maybe the committee have got a lot keener since I left...just a coincidence?!)

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>>> <edwards@sketters.co.uk> 06/02/2009 19:29 >>>

Dear Squash Committee,

Re: Follow-up on 8 Point Email of 26 January 2009

Just a short (!) update on some of these points following today's Ups & pH Bar Committee Meeting:

Point 5:   Provision for more Associate Members (AM) was debated. It was felt that it was too early to open the gates to lots more people becoming AM's as the amount of work involved will be too much for the current system to handle. The committee did not however rule out such provision in the future. In fact they have sanctioned the proposal in Point 6 (Sutton Police Belmont Safer Neighbourhoods Team) as a trial for generating more funds to cover costs and to make better links with the community. The covering cost aspect is important as we will have to be non-profit making to comply with Ups Club insurance requirements.

Point 6:   Sutton Police Belmont Safer Neighbourhoods Team: This was debated extensively. There was a strong feeling that allowing this group to join is a good idea. It was proposed that this be a test case for allowing external groups to join - just has been the case in the past e.g. BIBRA and the HM Prison Downsview. The extra benefit that could come from this policy is the chance to interact more in the community and this was felt to be a good thing to encourage.

Particularly if it is good press for the RMH and ICR. I am therefore actioned to gather your views and then to draft 'terms of reference' under which the group will be allowed to use the court.

I will make provisional contact with the parties involved and keep you all posted.

Point 8:   Future of the Club: This was a major topic of debate and had many facets:

(i)            There are a lot of rumours circulating at the moment about the future of the club. I'm not going propagate any of these! What is known is that negotiations and correspondence is taking place between RMH and ICR about funding levels for the club. The Ups and pH Bar Committee would therefore like to convene a meeting in order to find out what is behind the statements that the RMH and ICR have made which indicate a possible withdrawal or reduction of funding. Much of this is covered in the Business Plan which I have attached as a PDF.

This has already been submitted to ICR and RMH.

(ii)           Further to the submission, the ICR and RMH have asked for more details on usage and potential funds generation. They are particularly interested in the pool and bar, and whether they can be self financing. I have indicated, in the usage report that I promised (attached) and have now produced, that the squash court can be self financing and is a significant attractor of participants. The committee has attempted to catalogue other participation, including running, yoga, tennis, badminton, reading, table tennis, Hall booking etc. The feeling that perhaps the RMH and ICR think the club is underused was considered, and thought to be a possible reason for the RMH and ICR starting to have cold feet. Another possible reason is that the club premises are sited near to land (Sutton Hospital) that may well be up for grabs by either the RMH or ICR or both. One of the ideas of a meeting would be to ask both parties face to face what their plans and intentions are for future expansion.

(iii)          Linked to this is the matter of raising our finance to fill the gaps if there is a corporate withdrawal. The matter of AM's came up and whether we could open up this category to ex-staff and other affiliations. Currently there are insufficient 'membership' volunteers to cope with such applications, but the committee did not reject the possibility and thought that paying people e.g. students, to help with databasing and administration could be a viable option.

It was thought that by trialling the Sutton/Belmont Police group that we would get an idea of whether this can be rolled out further. There was a feeling that we should not gather a head of steam on the general proposal until the meeting is held with RMH and ICR, to gauge their views and to get some idea of the continued availability of the current buildings to us.

(iv)          One factor involved in becoming 'self governing' is the 'council rates' we are charged. We are currently charged at a business rate - which is approx £1000 per month. The total outgoings of the club is around £23,000 pa, so if we can save on the rates using 'charitable status' (80% reduction) then we would halve our annual bills and perhaps make the whole enterprise more viable and desirable to the ICR and RMH. The committee agreed to look into the possibility of obtaining charitable status. 

(v)           Communications and RMH Participation in Sports and Social: The issue of lack of general email access for RMH employees to onsite 'sports and social' info was acknowledged by the committee. It is not clear what commitment the RMH has to the sports and social activities because the feeling was that it does not condone them being promoted by site-wide email distribution. The committee felt this was a big hindrance. I said there was evidence to show the detriment of the RMH policy as the RMH fraction of participation in squash over 14 years was only 25%. It is even worse when looking at attendance at squash coaching - with only a 10% RMH participation rate - despite us pamphleting the RMH with coaching details and asking friendly people to send RMH emails for us. The committee was aware of the communication problem as it was in the process itself of distributing by a hand a pamphlet recently commissioned to promote the club (see scan attached). The issue of addressing how to have a seed change in attitude was raised, but it was difficult to identify a RMH person or group who outwardly supported the club and its contribution to the wellbeing of its staff, The only group that has outwardly acknowledged the clubs activities are a major benefit to employees is Occupation Health. I said I knew the head of the unit and would try to initiate talks with them to see if better channels of communication can be constructed. There was also talk of manning a booth in the RMH canteen to promote the club. My personal view is that this must be tried, but it has to be admitted that  this is a slightly archaic means of communicating in this day and age - the committee was frustrated with what they considered an unhelpful RMH email policy.

I leave this for your consideration, and would welcome any comments on these points or those raised in the earlier '8-point' email. 

Cheers,

Steve

Encl

07b business case revised dated 190109 from Amin-Helen 05.02.09.pdf

09c Squash Section Business Plan Report for Committee Draft 3 060209.pdf

10b Ups and Downs (pH) Promtional Leaflet from Helen 060209.pdf

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: James Darcy [mailto:jamesd@icr.ac.uk]

Sent: 05 February 2009 11:36

To: Steve Edwards

Subject: Re: FW: Message from Helen 04.02.09 - Update 05.02.09

Hi Steve

I did receive and read the email. I did not respond as you seemed to

have it most comprehensively covered.

ttfn

James

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


From: Steve Edwards [mailto:edwards@sketters.co.uk]
Sent: 26 January 2009 15:48
To: 'Phil Hall'; 'Antigoni Divoli'; 'Chris Stott'; 'David Roberts'; 'James Darcy'; 'Jonathan Gear'; 'Laura Robison'; 'Lionel Gunn'; 'louise Johns'; 'Mark Sydenham'; 'Neil Goddard'; 'Sandra Edwards'
Cc: 'Taylor, Helen'
Subject: Squash Matters 26.01.09

 

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Dear Squash Committee,

 

Thank you to Sandra for forwarding the enquiry from the Ups Club Membership Secretary (attached as file 01b…pdf) and to Mark for his kind follow-up (in same pdf).

 

OK, sorry for the long email, but there’s a lot going on - so just to summarise the situation in Points 1 - 3 and then to add some more in light of the meeting we had in October and recent events. This email will form the basis of a ‘virtual’ meeting (VGM), so please circulate your views as usual - cc to all on the committee.

 

Discussion Points:

 

1)    We have notification from Sandra via the Ups Club Membership Secretary that perhaps ‘favours’ are being advanced to ex-staff in the absence of validated Ups & Downs Associate Membership. Note attached as file [01b Re Non renewal of membership.pdf].

 

       We have also been informed as part of the same notification of a refused application for Ups & Downs Associate Membership and that subsequently a family member of the refused applicant may have used the squash court. The implication is that this person may have the squash door code.

 

2)    We have a proposal from the Ups & Downs Membership Secretary (conveyed by Sandra in document cited in Point 1) that all codes on doors be changed including that on the squash door.

 

       We also have an associated proposal from Sandra to change the squash door code (same file cited in point 1).

 

       Follow-up and proposed action:

 

       The ‘floor’ is open to debate (and or vote) on the proposals to change the squash door code.

 

3)    We have a proposal from Sandra to require proof of membership and recording or ‘registration’ of players prior to any new door code being released to Squash Section members (same file cited in Point 1).

 

       There is a question from Mark asking about how proof of membership is ascertained. This was in an email answer to Sandra’s notification shown in file [01b Re Non renewal of membership.pdf].

 

       Follow-up and proposed action:

 

       I suggest that the proposal from Sandra to require proof of membership and recording or ‘registration’ of players prior to a new door code being released to Squash Section members is combined with the action points from the OGM on 21.10.08 (ref Point 4 below) under AOB Item 2. Amongst others, I have been tasked to put a notice in the squash court to ask people to email Lionel to state their membership status.

 

       The proof of membership/registration proposal has already been seconded by Mark, so please forward your comments in the usual way.

 

       With regard to Mark’s question about proof of membership, the UPS and Downs Club stopped giving out membership cards quite a while ago. There was also a period where you got a sticker to stick on your card every year. This process was discontinued for current ICR and RMH employees - these are now called ‘Corporate Members’ - see http://intra.icr.ac.uk/upsdowns/_memship.htm. Perhaps we can check on the validity of membership when the emails come in. If they have a @icr.ac.uk or rmh.nhs.uk address box then this will imply they are from current staff.

 

       Other members should have a membership card - these will be Associate, Family, or Honorary. When these people email us, then we will have to ask for their membership number. If we think it appropriate then we could either ask to see proof either by seeing the card or by checking with the UPS and Downs Membership Secretary. It may be an idea to request a membership download of these membership classes from the Ups Club.

 

4)    Update on our Squash Ordinary General Meeting (OGM) that was held in the BLB 21 October 2008.

       Web link: http://intra.icr.ac.uk/upsdowns/_sq_ogm_211008.htm

       Text is also included as [01c Committee Meeting 21 October 2008.mht].

 

       Follow-up and proposed action:

 

       Please can you comment on the minutes of this OGM, and say if they appear to be a correct summary of what was discussed ?

 

       Just as a point of information, the way squash OGM, SGM and VGM minutes are recorded has changed. Instead of having hard-copy official versions of minutes, they will officially be lodged on the website from now on. This will not apply to AGM minutes for the time-being, as I’m not sure about the ‘legality’ of this and will look into it. I know that AGM minutes have to be signed, and I think the best way to do that for the time-being is in the traditional pen and paper way !

 

       I've also made a few modifications and additions to the following pages, and would appreciate your comments on them:

      

       http://intra.icr.ac.uk/upsdowns/_sq_insurance.htm

 

       http://intra.icr.ac.uk/upsdowns/_sq_insurance_children_vul_adults.htm

 

       http://intra.icr.ac.uk/upsdowns/_sq_insurance_accident_incident_reporting.htm

 

       http://intra.icr.ac.uk/upsdowns/_sq_safety_goggles_lets_firstaid.htm

 

       The key file here is the 'Children and Vulnerable Adults' draft policy. If and when agreed, this page can have it's own link from the squash home page.

 

       The 'safety' page is also important as this is the one that we should be referring players to routinely for safety information. I think this should definitely be part of the ‘welcome pack’ suggested by Mark.

 

       The other relevant information or ‘welcome’ file is the Squash General Information web page: http://intra.icr.ac.uk/upsdowns/_sq_gi.htm

 

 

5)    Enquiry from Laura (27.11.08) about provision for ex-staff to be allowed to play squash (one party in particular). Effectively asking if ex-staff could be Ups & Downs Associate  Members. Associated enquiry about insurance implications (email available on request).

 

       Follow-up and proposed action:

 

       Laura’s enquiry about provision for ex-staff to be allowed to play squash is linked to points 1) 6) and 7 (ii) and (iii).

      

       Effectively we have to wait for the UPS and Downs Club Management Committee to decide on this. Every sports and social section has representation on the main Management Committee and I sometimes attend the meetings if there is important Club business to discuss. However as a section we can make written representation if we feel this is needed.

 

       I believe, that as a committee of 13 people, we represent our 70 or so squash playing members very well. So our opinion should count for quite a lot in a decision to offer Ups & Downs Associate Membership to ex-staff. However there are some other significant considerations we have to take into account and these are discussed in points 7 (ii), (iii) and (iv).

 

       The insurance implication of this particular point is addressed as part of Point 6.

 

6)    Request (via Mark 16.12.08) from Julie Thripp for Sutton Police Belmont Safer Neighbourhoods Team to be allowed to use the squash facility. All communications shown in file [01d RE SQUASH COURT Enquiry 16.12.08 Update 17.12.08.pdf ]. The Squash Committee was informed of the application later that day. Subsequent communications ensued (attached in same file). The proposal also went to Gary Burkill (Head of Facilities RMH). His reply of 17.12.08 included a request for consideration of the insurance implication for The Ups and Downs Club as well as Squash Section. Attached as file [01e RE SQUASH COURT Enquiry 16.12.08 Update 17.12.08.pdf].

 

       Follow-up and proposed action:

 

       There are two PDFs supplied for your information on this. The Squash Committee was notified about this on 16th December 2008. In the meantime the proposal has gone to Helen Taylor and Gary Burkill for their consideration.

 

       From the Squash Section’s point of view, this has been left with my email to Helen to say we will await the UPS and Downs Committee’s decision on this.

 

       In addition the matter came up at the SGM of 18.12.08 (see point 7o) and there is still an outstanding question on insurance -  primarily with regard to the UPS and Downs Club.

 

       My view on this is that once a decision is made to award Ups & Downs Associate Membership to individuals and/or create new Affiliation Groups, then all  insurance implications should have been addressed before the decision is made. This is because the only concern for insurance is whether you are a member or not.

 

       I am however not sure what insurance provision is made for current Associate, Family and Honorary members. I will ask Helen if she can kindly update us on this.

 

       My guess about what lies behind Gary’s concern is that Marsden employees have a slightly different ‘insurance status’ for consideration of their use of the sports facilities. As they are employees of the Trust and the sports facilities are sited on Trust land - they are covered for certain aspects by the Trust insurance. ICR staff are covered by a separate policy that was taken out specially to cover them.

 

       As you know the Squash Section has taken out it’s own additional insurance policy (see earlier web links). This covers all MEMBERS of the Ups and Downs Club - so all we have to worry about is whether people are bonafide members and not who they work for ! I hope this makes sense !!

 

       As for whether this application is accepted or not, my opinion is that we should comply with the Ups and Downs Management Committee’s decision. All we can do is to furnish them with information on what we might want from the deal and whether it will impinge on availability of court access to our current members - the majority of whom are ‘Corporate Members’.

 

       Please chip in as its one of the perks of being on the committee and everybody’s view should be heard - I think it would also be a good idea to solicit views from as many players as possible.

 

 

7)    Ups and Downs Club Special General Meeting 18.12.08.

(o)   Circulation of proposed new Constitution for Ups and Downs Club by Helen Taylor 05.12.08. Attached as 4 files [01f - 01i….pdf]. Subsequently accepted at SGM 18.12.08.

(i)    New Ups and Downs Club Constitution Ratification - file [01h Constitution final 2008.doc].

(ii)   Including discussion on ex-staff and Ups & Downs Associate Membership.

(iii)   Including discussion on request from Sutton Police Belmont Safer Neighbourhoods Team.

(iv) Including debate on Ups and Downs Club income / revenue generation.

 

       Follow-up and proposed action:

 

(o)   Circulation of 4 files including new Constitution for Ups and Downs Club for your information.

 

(i)    New Ups and Downs Club Constitution Ratification - file [01h Constitution final 2008.doc]. The new constitution was discussed and then accepted at this Special General Meeting 18.12.08.

 

(ii)   Email and SGM discussion on ex-staff and Ups & Downs Associate Membership.

      

       I had already briefed Helen that I was concerned about the provision for ex-staff to become Ups & Downs Associate Members in an email dated 17.12.08 see file [01d RE SQUASH COURT Enquiry 16.12.08 Update 17.12.08.pdf]. My enquiry to her was based on Laura’s enquiry about membership - see Point 5.

      

       I was a bit late attending the SGM and arrived very near the voting time. I however had a chance to ask about membership criteria. I asked for clarification on how Ups & Downs Associate Membership was awarded. It was confirmed from the table that this category was only for retired staff and certain ex-staff that had either been afforded membership historically or on committee discretion.

 

       I had just listened to a discussion and proposal from the table and floor for the Club to become more proficient at generating its own income. There may be concerns about this with regard to insurance which I’m not sure were raised and I need to check with Helen about this ‘income generation’ aspect. However there was a clear indication from the table that the Club would investigate ways of generating money. One of the reasons given for this requirement was that financial support from the ICR and RMH was anticipated to possibly be less forthcoming.

 

       In view of this I made a proposal to allow ex-staff to become Ups & Downs Associate Members. I suggested that this could generate quite a bit of money - as indeed it used to when ex-staff were allowed to be members. (I said it was ironic that I had just become ‘ex-staff’ myself and that this was a total coincidence !)

      

       The response from the table was that it was unlikely to be adopted as it was difficult to administer applications and subsequent payments from ex-staff. The floor was told that if there was a flood of applications the Membership Secretary would not be able to cope with the work.

 

       I said that this answer was potentially at odds with the earlier statement that money-raising was needed, and that we had received an application from Sutton Police Belmont Safer Neighbourhoods Team - which on the face of it appeared to be being looked at favourably by the Committee.

 

       I was a bit confused, so I proposed that if the Club was struggling with a single volunteer Membership Secretary, then perhaps the Committee should consider expanding the number of people involved thereby creating a ‘Membership Team’.

      

       A call to vote on the constitution was made. I asked if clarification on how we granted Associate Membership could be made before the vote was made. The table made the reassurance that a firm policy wasn’t needed at this stage as the ‘bye-law’ provision had been retained that allowed the Committee to make new rules at anytime. The bye-law rule therefore covers this concern and there is still the provision for the Committee to award membership on a discretionary basis.

 

       The bye-laws mentioned are in Section 28 & 29 of the New Constitution -  ‘Interpretation of the Constitution and Rules’ and ‘Bye-Laws’.

 

       The constitution was then voted on and accepted unanimously. The club is now officially known as ‘The Ups Club and pH bar’.

 

       Further to this, Sandra has kindly pointed out that we have to be careful not to give the impression that we are favouring ‘outside’ groups over ex-staff. I think this needs more debate. The factor here is that we generally know ex-staff, whereas this may not be the case with outside groups.

 

       With regard to ex-staff, there is already a clause that says that the Club can check-up on eligibility with respective Human Resources, as well as checking for status/eligibility based on disciplinary factors. This clause is on the membership web page: http://intra.icr.ac.uk/upsdowns/_memship.htm.

 

       I leave it there now, and await your comments - and I hope that my account of the meeting matches with the minutes !

 

(iii)   Sutton Police Belmont Safer Neighbourhoods Team application to use squash facilities.

       This was debated briefly at the SGM as described above in Points 6 and 7(ii), but there was no further input other that what has already been reported.

 

(iv) ‘Ups Club and pH Bar’ income / revenue generation.

       I also raised this in my email to Helen on 17.12.08 file [01d RE SQUASH COURT Enquiry 16.12.08 Update 17.12.08.pdf]. It was discussed at the SGM as already mentioned, although I only heard a bit of this debate, so please chip in if you know more or just want to record your opinion.

 

8)    Ups and Downs Club Future: PDF of email to Squash Committee attached [01j RE Squash Christmas Social & General 011208.pdf].

 

       Follow-up and proposed action:

      

       This of course is a concern to the Ups & Downs Management Committee. We, as a section have been asked to supply some squash data to help make a business plan which is to be submitted to the Marsden (I’m not sure about Institute ?). The Squash Committee was notified of this via my email to Phil (cc Squash Committee in early December 2008 - see file [01j RE Squash Christmas Social & General 011208.pdf].

 

       My plan is to trawl back through the records and make a list of players over the years. Unfortunately this may well show that most people who play squash are ICR employees. I believe the primary reason for this - particularly in recent years, is the inability to get emails through to all_RMH as you can for all_ICR.

 

       We used to pamphlet the whole hospital to let people know about for example - squash coaching, the Mini-Olympics and general social events. This involved going to all the wards and talking to a lot of the nurses etc. This probably isn’t practical these days, but the Squash Section still pamphlet the RMH canteen to let people know about the squash coaching courses.

 

       I’m planning to emphasise to Helen and the Committee that communication is key to the viability and sustainability of the Club. I believe the Marsden is as big as the ICR at Sutton - indeed with maybe more people. Very few use the club and this is a worrying state of affairs.

 

       It is my understanding that not all Marsden staff have their own works email box. The reason I’m led to believe for this is that their system cannot accommodate the number of boxes needed as well as an inability to cope with the ensuing electronic traffic. At one stage I believe it was only managers that had email. Perhaps we need to check up on the current status.

 

       So I think we need to find a way to influence or persuade the RMH authorities to give all their employees access to email and to allow distribution of information freely through these channels. Any ideas on how to implement this would be welcome !

 

       I even think there’s a possibility that the pH bar rota is exclusively ICR because communications are predominantly conducted by email, and the Marsden is inadvertently excluded from this forum. Again please comment on whether this is a correct interpretation.

 

Well I guess this has given you a bit to think about ! I’m really looking forward to hearing back from you and if there’s any energy left then it might be nice to meet up at that New Year’s party we’ve all been looking forward to !!

 

Best wishes,

Cheers,

Steve

cc Helen Taylor (Ups and pH Management Committee : Chairman)

 

 

 

 

 



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